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Answering my interlocutors – Part one

Since the Mumbai tragedy and my comments on the events unfolding after that I have been inundated with comments, questions, propositions and quite often rants by my readers especially from India. Some of the dear readers were quite rational and tried their level best to change my views. Others were kind enough to appreciate the things that I have been trying to do since the day one. And then there were those who were actually screaming madly at me only because I happen to be a Pakistani and Muslim birth. To the last category I have to submit that I can understand your pain. The fact that you took the pains of coming to my site and submit your views proves that the power of the written word has not dimmed. Also that despite all your pent up anger that is naturally understandable you believe in the civilized codes of communication and hence have preferred pen over the sword. To the first category I may state that your efforts to change me are appreciated. I believe in changing for the sake of improvement and will never be blamed of refusing to see logic when it looks into my face. But it so happens that these matters which came under discussion have been the core of experience and thoughts since my very early age and before you gave me these logics I have already pondered over them a thousand times. Hence it is not easy to dissuade me from what I am thinking.
Then there is the class of kind people who actually really appreciated me. For instance read the note from a Mr Vikram Shete who made me feel that all my efforts have not gone waster. He writes and I quote:
“Hello Farrukh Sir (please accept me calling you Sir.. reasons unfolded below)
I was almost on the verge of believing that Pakistan media is worse than Indian media but thanks to efforts from media personnel like you and nikhil wagle, which i happened to see (fortunately) today, i have reasons to believe otherwise.
The Indian media which i respected before the Mumbai horror, disappointed me totally during and after the mayhem. On top of that some of the videos on youtube of Brass Tacks were even more disappointing as in either case TRP was at stake… There was no analysis and no pros and cons..
Anyways having read some of the points and specifically the last para of the article “Attack Pakistan Then!!! Happy?” i was glad to see that sanity prevails! Me and my roomates had several overnight discussions of a probable war.. Its so true that if the leaders do declare it, the common man will go for it till the last breath and within months the leaders will sign a treaty and thats it.. things would be back to as they were…!! need a more mature thought process and solution..
thank you Sir for helping me keep faith in media!
regards,
Vikram Shete”
Mr. Shete, thank you very much for helping me keep faith in the consciencious readers like you. If we have a few more people like you on both sides of the border this region definitely can be better place.
A reader has complained that I answer only hatemails. Far from it. The only problem was that I was too busy and hence could not answer your comments point by point. Now that I have found a few moments I’ll try my level best to answer you. But before we start will it not be prudent to tell you what I believe? First of all, I love my country. I am a Pakistani by birth and this country has made me what I am today. I couldn’t be more thankful. Regarding India I believe that it is a great country, a mighty civilization with a beautiful heritage and enormous moral power. Somehow the term moral power to me is more important than any superpower status. I am a firm believer in democracy and also Indian democracy. At a time when many hawks in support of Musharraf and opposition to democracy were trying to project Indian democracy as a sham I was regularly pointing out that if Indians can have such a wonderful system why cannot we Pakistanis, mostly of the same racial stock, have it too. Believe me nothing in Islam or Pakistani culture makes it impossible to be a democracy. During Musharraf’s second, albeit shortlived, martial law we were tortured and harassed we stood the ground and today we have a democratic government in place. American people despite the indoctrination of eight years stood up and refused to be subject of generalizations. They also have changed their destiny. As recognition of this courageous struggle you’ll see that my site’s one banner pays tribute to the American leadership. To some of you Pakistanis might be untouchables but remember you have no idea what we have been through for the last seven years. When on February 28 we all went to poll we all were worried for the lives of our families but we still went and made a difference. To many American people might be colonizers but no one will notice what a remarkable courageous change Obama’s election is. These things make nations proud not wars or their nuclear arsenals. While Pakistan has nothing comparable with the United States I see two remarkable nations struggling to bring out the best in humanity. Indian people then are even better example. The issue however is not of any nation’s superiority but the desire to root out a menace which has conquered us without even our noticing during the last ten to twelve years. I’ll explain all this in a moment but before that I need to tell you where do we go from here.
People don’t understand that the change in science fictions we and our elders have been reading is here. Could you imagine this degree of integration that internet, blackberries and heaven knows how many other things just twenty years ago? Twenty years ago we had only telephone sets. How difficult it was for an average Pakistani to call India without being bugged by the intelligence agencies and vice versa? Almost impossible. But the fact that we today we are casually chatting on the internet proves that without even understanding it we are part of one nation, the human nation. I know this concept is very difficult to digest but the decline of the nation states had started even in the early nineties. You like it or not what to talk of India-Pakistan or Afghanistan-Pakistan border but all international borders in a span of ten to fifteen years are going to be depleted. You don’t realize but the thirst for democracy around the world, the growth of English as an international language and why even the rise of Obama all prove that these borders will become progressively become irrelevant. And then the issues of population growth and global warming are also here to stay. Humanity is not simply growing but simply multiplying. In this situation for the sake of safe havens, more energy and better chances of survival we’ll have to colonize space. You believe that these views are bizzare and unrealistic? Just do me a favor, take a printout of this post and preserve it for fifteen years. Then after that much time you’ll see if I am right or not.
Do you think after such a change the issue of the structure on the Babri Mosque/ Ram janam bhoomi site or for that matter the site of the Dome of Rock will be of any consequence? The religious among us may say yes but honestly in that case except for our emotions and the nostalgia nothing will hold us back to such reductionist matters. You know why we are like this today? Because the world we live in is the world of anarchy, we live in the world of natural selection where resources are just limited and consumers unlimited. That is why we all fight among ourselves for your extinction may ensure my survival. Like the great industrial revolution we now have one great opportunity that may change this principle of anarchy. We are bickering and fighting because we are trapped in this small shell of limited resources. Time has come to open the shell of determinism and limited resources and feel the cosmic ocean we are in.
This notion however does not suit those who have built their economy upon the status quo. I mean the conservatives in each state and the religious fanatics. In the Muslim world the Al Qaeda and the clergy, in USA the neocons, in India the saffron brigade and together all states. These elements do not let us see that even the postmodern state is nothing more than an improved version of tribalism.
I believe that it all started with the demise of the Soviet Union that each state had to search for a new priah to exploit FOTA (the fear of the alternative or FOTCO – the fear of the cultural other). Why? What else could justify the existence of mighty standing armies and huge defense budgets? It was then that a courageous visionary by the name of the US Vice President Al Gore brought the internet technology out of the military labs. This technology initially perpetuated the western culture giving birth simultaneously to Francis Fukuyama’s somewhat incorrect notion of the End of History and also a characteristic xenophobia in the under represented cultures. On one side attempts were made to revitalize the pan Islamism and on the other Sangh Parivar staged a come back in India. I have already mentioned somewhere else that ground to project Islam as a potential threat and Muslims as new commies was sown as early as in 1982 when Man who saw tomorrow was released featuring Nostradamus’s predictions was released. He was only one of the countless medieval prophets but the choice of his works was particularly a political tool for he had warned of the coming of a Muslim king of terror. History is full of such weirdos and you can pick and use whoever you like. So we have finally ended up with a Muslim terror king holed up somewhere in Afghanistan then.
But look at the situation in India. India had remained a secular country firmly committed to the principles of great men like Nehru and Gandhi. Yet this xenophobia coupled by the assassination of Indira and Rajiv Gandhi with the help of the communal riots following the demise of Babri Mosque facilitated the rise of the BJP. Well this happens in democracy when people pick the wrong guys just to change taste. BJP had made no bones about its ambitions. We know what happened then in the name of Hindutva. But the greater problem occurred when the secular state structure of India which had always shunted the religious fanatics in civil military bureaucracy started losing cohesion against the strides of organized fanaticism. Fanatics got promoted and such elements have carved their niche in the Indian establishment. How else would you explain the existence of a Colonel Purohit and his likes? The country which had contented itself being part of the Non Alligned Movement hence started dreaming of becoming a super power itself. Believe me I have no objection to India becoming a great power. Since it is of almost the same racial stock as I am I believe it can contribute something constructive to the world affairs. My only problem is that I have always been averse to the concept of Bipolarity, Unipolarity and Multipolarity. When we all are human beings what poles are we talking of? I firmly believe that there should be no nuclear weapons and there should be no military power. Local police everywhere yes but no armies. Honestly it is not such an impossible thing to expect. When Airforces of the world can work together to colonize space not earth, when the army engineers can be employed to make better abodes in the space why waste their talents here.
Coming back to the point, Indian establishment then started dreaming ambitiously. After the rise of the neocons and the 9/11 and international mafia has developed which includes your neocons, our neocons, the American neocons and god knows how many others. In short the last ten years have witnessed the last desperate revolt of the conservative forces. You call the Mumbai attacks your 26/11. Have you noted that this expression itself represents the craving to be recognized a super power?
When Indian establishment was being gripped by the fanatics, Pakistani establishment after 9/11 played another game. It was clear that it could not use religion any longer as the pretext to rule so it started appealing to its people in the name of nationalism and it projected to the west simultaneously that the Pakistani people are dangerous. From Altaf Hussain to Fazlur Rehman those who have promoted extremism are the establishment’s own creations. Despite having their international ties they only serve as the agents of the very same establishment in terrorizing people. The frail democracy in Pakistan is their answer. If democracy continues to function in Pakistan these elements will automatically be defeated. Pakistan no doubt has an extremist problem but this problem is local not international. No matter what you say countless intelligence inputs that I am privy to prove that either Osama is dead or is not in Pakistan. Why doesn’t this news reach you? Simple because the constant existence of such a fear factor helps the conservative establishments. The fundos that we have are weak and while they can kill us they cannot mount an international attack. Trust me I know what I am saying.
Americans and the Israelis are already bringing the change for moderation. Oh yes Israel too had witnessed the rise of the extremists. Why else was Yitzhak Rabin assassinated? It is India in this picture which will one day have to bring that change too. I believe that as a law of nature the Congress led alliance was given a chance by democracy to root out such elements from the establishment. It has thus far failed. It is my belief that to end this tyranny the Indian democracy will finally have to turn finally to the Left and Mayawatti. Folks change has to come and will come. It is better to be prepared.
(The second episode answering your questions directly will appear under title Part two. Take good care of yourself.)
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about 1 year ago
Hi, Not power of written word that drew me here, but the need to shower abuse on a Pakistani. Haven’t read through your blog end to end (Too long), but I guess you are a moderate & I should hold my bile. One effect of the terror is it has drawn Indian Muslims & others closer in sorrow & a new resoluteness to stand together against the enemy from the other side. Maybe Indians and Pakistanis should just wall up & forget each other.
about 1 year ago
Some people in the Pakistani media said 9/11 was a plot from the US to garner support of the world against Muslim countries!
Just visited few Pakistani blogs discussing Mumbai terror issues, most of them seem to agree to 9/11 opinion aired in Pakistani media, naturally it can be clearly made out from their language how uneductated and uninformed they are, mostly the discussions are in Urdu or in poor English.
How uncivic these people could be even in their thinking. God help them with good education and sanity so they can be able to sense the denial state would bring doom to themselves in Pakistan.
Here is a link to a blog from a third party, worth to have a look:
http://www.juancole.com/2008/12/pakistani-reaganism-must-end-new.html
about 1 year ago
Mr. Khan –
Hailing from a family of Pakistani Decent, (my Father and his ancestors were all born in Pakistan – Mianwali, Burikhail and so on) and having a Muslim Pakistani Brother in Law, all I can say is please stop! Please stop being so nice on your blog towards Indians. We dont need your goodness in any form whatsoever. Being a Hindu, I listen to the Quran on the radio, I pray to Sai – a Hindu saint who practised Islam as well. I am one of those minority rationalist’s who believes in “To Each it’s Own”!
My two cents, please leave us alone! We dont need your sympathies or empathies! Pakistan has been doing a great job in sponsoring terrorism, whether its India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Nepal. There is so much of evidence doing the rounds in the Pentagon, RAW and Pakistan, directly implicating ISI to the attacks on my beloved Land. Yet, Pakistan is still in a state of denial. How long will this carry on. How many more Indian children would Pakistan like to be orphaned, maimed or killed? Pakistan spews vendetta against Hindus and Indians, on state TV or Mosques after Friday Prayers. Pakistan doesnt educate its progeny of useful sciences, instead Islamic studies are contoured to brainwash these very nubile minds. Pakistan doesnt want to move forward economically. The “Vaderahs” of Sindh and Punjab are the rich and elite rest are all poor or struggling to make ends meet. Hindu’s have been systematically reduced to 2% of your total populace, against 21% of 1948. I couldnt care much of Pakistan’s internal affairs, they are yours, yours to keep and yours to act upon! But dont go about meddling your nose in others business. Since 61 years of Independance can you tell me how many times have Pakistani’s elected a government? Can you tell me the number of Military Dictators who came to power – what was thier zeal? Except Musharraf others didnt even do a tad bit to raise the economic bar – though I do have my reservations for him as well.
my last thought – “Ek Bhool Tum Ta Umr Karte Rahe,
Ek Bhool Tum Ta Umr Karte Rahe,
Dhool Chehre Pe Thi;
Aap Bas Aayina Saaf Karte Rahe”.
about 1 year ago
indian U-turn; india itself involve in mumbai mass killing:
India’s foreign minister denied Sunday that he had phoned Pakistan’s president at the height of the Mumbai terrorist siege, prompting its air force to go on high alert, but Pakistani officials insisted he — or someone else in his ministry — had placed the call.
Meanwhile, India’s investigation into the attacks was running into similar theatrics, with security officials demanding the release of one of only two men arrested so far, saying he was actually a counterinsurgency police officer who may have been on an undercover mission. The arrests, announced in the eastern city of Calcutta, were the first since the bloody siege ended. But what was touted as a rare success for India’s beleaguered law enforcement agencies quickly turned sour as police in two Indian regions squared off against one another.
about 1 year ago
nyx I don’t care what religion you practice or what religious books you read. Don’t you get it? Religion simply doesn’t matter to me. The problem with people like you is that you don’t just want to accept that in the terror world India has also been an exporter. Have you forgotten Tamil’s? But sincerely I am not offering my sympathy to anyone who doesn’t need it. Yet you’ll astounded how many of your own Indian friends will stand with me rather than you. My world is simple and I believe in peace. To those who have suffered and are in pain I will keep offering my consolation. You don’t like it? Don’t come to my site then. Others who believe in peace are most welcome.
I am not in denial. You guys are. We accept that Pakistan has a Muslim extremist problem and are fighting it for seven years, you guys don’t want to accept that India too has a Hindu extremist problem. That is where you anger begins.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/07/mumbai-suspect-said-to-be-undercover-officer/
about 1 year ago
Came across this interesting article in guardian and wanted to share it with all of you
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/07/mumbai-terrorism-india-pakistan
about 1 year ago
Through this cock and bull story you want to prove that what you insist on is true? Interesting. Have you ever heard of the term legend building in the world of espionage? Well researched multiple histories? Do you know that post modern terror outfits operate on the pattern of the clandestine services? Is it not astounding then that instead of using a cover the terrorist apprehended immediately blabbers his true identity? Or was it that profile was part of his cover? Why is it that this report lacks visual evidence, even snapshots? Interestingly the young man if he was associated with the LeT for four years he would have a beard. The man you apprehended however was a modern looking man dressed in branded clothes. Does he look like a street vendor’s son? And if there was any visual proof I would have expected to see his picture. Pakistan is a soft state and planting fake evidence is not a great deal. No sir, give more evidence. Forensic evidence. Something substantial. If the case is so slam dunk why has the Indian government given Pakistan any of this thus far? Why this delay? If the charge of terrorism is to be proven through media trial then most welcome come and bomb us.
about 1 year ago
If you fail to understand my above post please take help of any intelligence officer and you’ll know how flimsy the story really is.
about 1 year ago
And look at the author’s article record: http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/saeedshah
This my friend is a chronicle of pure spite. If you want to believe the story please suit yourself. The true proof of the incident will start emerging after six to eight months. Till then whatever the propaganda story makes you believe will do. Let neocons go then we’ll see.
about 1 year ago
I will probably need the help of more than one intelligence officer to understand what you have written about legend building etc. I am sorry i could not make much sense of that part.
If kasav and all other 9 men had grown beards as you said they probably would have been caught by the coast guard which according to navy did intercept the boat but let them off after they were shown some fake ids. Atleast i would be freaked to see 10 bearded men who have not shaved for years on an indian fishing boat.Anyone would definitely be suspicious and that should explain why kasav did not have a beard.
Now comes to your part about ‘branded clothes’. You can get clothes like that with Calvin clain, versace printed them on footpaths in the sub-continent. Even if they are really branded, dont you think the LeT which has given them AK-56 rifles could not give them 5000 Rs to buy clothes. What makes you think he bought those clothes using his poor father’s money.
Regarding your lack of pictures in the report, most of those people were even afraid to reveal their names. So i cannot imagine the old man posing in front of house so that LeT can come and knock him off the next day.
Whenever someone quotes from Times of india or other indian you said that is biased. That is why i have quoted guardian. I have seen the author’s profile. You might see it as a history of spite , i or some other indian might see it is a history of genuine, objective reporting.
Anyways we will wait for few months as you have suggested.
about 1 year ago
Farrukh,
I would suggest you not to propoganda on something which you might not be aware of. Srilankan Tamil problem if you have taken their history, Its singalese who were treating the Srilankan Tamils very badly. It is their country problem and its not my business or place of interest. moreover you were asking me evidence to prove it and The Observer, London Newspaper had given the National ID card of the Pakistan Terrorist, I believe 100% that your country will still look for more evidence.
After the terror strike in Mumbai on November 26, the continuation of the probe and identification of the culprits depends on the evidence. (Watch)
Does India have evidence that the men who attacked Mumbai came from Pakistan? That they were recruited and trained and sent by Pakistan-based groups?
Even now, ten days after the attack, the war over the evidence continues to escalate. Even today when the headlines were dominated by Pakistan’s supposed promise that they would act against the Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Pakistan clarified that they have made no such promise and once again asked India to come up with evidence to back its claims.
At the centre of India’s evidence is Mohammed Ajmal Amir, the terrorist who is in India’s custody. It is his story, which nails any doubts about where these men came from.
Here is the full definitive account of the making of Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab in his own words.
Qasab: The coordinates
Name: Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab
Father: Mohammed Amir Imam Qasab
Occupation: Dahi Puri stall
Mother: Noor-e-Tai
Address: Village Faridkot, Dipalpur Tehsil, Okara district
Uncles: Nazir residing at Chamiayya Chisti, Lakhirpur Road and Manzoor residing at Safawala Chowk, Lahore
Qasab: The early years
Qasab said that he studied till class 4 at a government primary school and went to Lahore in 2000 after leaving school. He then stayed with brother Afzal in galli number 54, room number 12, mohalla, Toit Abad, near Yadgar Minar, Lahore.
He said he did labour jobs at different places till 2005. In 2005, he had quarrel with my father and left home. He said, he went to Ali Hajveri Darbar at Lahore, for a home for runaway boys.
From robbery to terrorism
It’s at this home for runaway boys that the turning point came. Qasab met a man called Shafiq with whom he worked it seemed in a restaurant. Shafiq introduced him to a man Muzaffar with whom he would enter a life of petty criminality the first step towards becoming a terrorist.
Qasab said that he came in contact with Muzaffar Lal Khan, resident of Romiya Village, Atak Tehsil. He then decided to enter into dacoity to make more money. He hired a flat at Bangash Colony, Rawalpindi.
Qasab told they needed firerarms for the job and in search of firearms, we saw some LeT stalls at Raja Bazaar, Rawalpindi. We decided to join the LeT for weapons training.
Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab identified in Faridkot?
An article in newspaper Observer has reported that electoral lists for Faridkot shows a Mohammed Amir and that his national identity card number obtained. A villager is quoted saying that we know that boy (caught in Mumbai) is from Faridkot and they knew him from the first night (of the attack).
“They brainwash our youth about jihad, there are people who do it in this village. It is so wrong,” the villager told the Observer.
“Faridkot is active recruiting ground for LeT. Qasab has not lived in Faridkot for four years; visited family once a year. Qasab frequently talked of freeing Kashmir from Indian rule,” he added.
Qasab: Training to be LeT
Qasab had three rounds of training to be a Let militant.
Round 1
Qasab told the investigators that they were given Rs 200 and asked to go to Marqas Taiyyaba, Muridke. The first round of training called Daura-Sufa went on for 21 days. There were lectures on Hadis, Quran by Mufti Sayeed. The routine during the round was — rest, lunch, namaz, PT, games, namaz and dinner.
Round 2
The second round was called Daura-aam or which also took 21 days. It was held at Mansehra, Buttal village. The weapons training was given by Abdul Rehman. The weapons mainly were AK-47, Green-O, SKS, Uzi guns, pistol, revolver. The routine included rest, lunch, namaz, PT, games, namaz and dinner.
He said that they took a break to do Khidmat or service for two months.
Round 3
The third round of training, called Daura-Khas, went on for three months. It was held at Chelabandi Pahadi area. The Weapons instructor this time was Abu Mawiya and they were trained to operate weapons such as hand grenades, rocker launcher and mortar. The lectures were given on Indian security agencies.
Countdown to the mission
Qasab said that out of 32 trainees, 16 were selected for confidential operation by Zaqi-ur-Rehman, who was also called chacha. Out of 16 selected, three ran away.
“Thirteen trainees were then sent for two rounds of training to Muridke camp. We were taught swimming, shown clippings of atrocities on Muslims in India and took lectures on RAW,” he said.
Mission Mumbai
The final ten
Date: September 15, 2008
Qasab and Ismail: Team CST– Abu Aksha and Abu Umar, Bada Abdul Rehman and Abu Ali, Chotta Abdul Rehman and Afadulla, and Shoaib and Abu Umer
Qasab said they were shown film on CST station and were told to kidnap people and take them on a roof of the building. He said we then had to contact Abdul Rahman, who would give numbers of TV channels and we were to contact them on phone and make demands for releasing hostages.
“We were to move on September 27, but it got cancelled. We stayed at Karachi and practised travelling by speed boats. We finally moved on November 23,” he said.
The Kuber inventory: Traces of evidence?
The empty packets of 50 rounds of bullets for .34 bore gun. Made in China.
Pink foam wrapping weapon.
Nylon rope used to transfer goods from mother ship to vessel.
Yellow bag made of nylon strings tied together, which had blood-like stains on the inside.
16 multi-coloured blankets.
A namaaz kerchief in black and white with the label “Cashmilan Best Qlty, Phone 061 4516729.”
Black quarter pants with the label South Pole, Made in Pakistan.
Four boxes of detergent with the label Pakistan.
Two sachets of Nestle Milk Pak, Nestle Pakistan Limited.
Two black leather belts.
Eight pencil cell batteries from Duracell.
Eight razors of the brand Gelite.
Shaving cream, brand Touchme, Made in Pakistan.
Dental cream, brand Medicam, Made in Pakistan.
Tissue paper, brand Zik Brothers, Karachi.
55 litre plastic tank made in the Gulf. The address on it: HO No 8, Industrial area Karachi, Pakistan. Contact Number: 042577488-9, 0425770811.
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Still you believe your countrymen are innocent, I also believe they are innocent not everyone one over there is bad…. very few are bad & they commit mistakes take it to them and teach them killing innocent people doesn’t give them path to heaven rather than leads to hell.
I am Indian, I will accept my mistake and there is some moles, robbers & bad elements in Indian society but as Indian will come forward accept that, and correct them rather than keeping ourself proud saying we don’t have any bad elements in Indian Society.
about 1 year ago
O for heaven’s sake John give it a rest. I read these reports as soon as they appear.
10My$0.02: I liked your chain of argument. As I have said earlier I like rational people. As for the objectivity of the said journalist is concerned I agree that there could be some grain of truth in it but I do not believe that its treatment of stories is impartial. Worst conclusions have been drawn. You forget that yours truly is also a journalist after all and lives in the very Pakistan we are talking of. If you care to check my record you’ll notice that I do not paint an unrealistically picture either. Let me tell you also that as we speak an operation against the LeT is underway. What is my reaction? I am really happy. Why? We don’t need any foreigner that existence of such elements in this country is harmful for our existence. I believe that if Dawood Ibrahim has done even point one percent of what you allege him of doing he should not find any space in Pakistan. But you need to understand that I still do not think that the Mumbai attack was staged by any Pakistani. And when I talk of the visual evidence I didnt mean people’s mug shots. But you see if someone has lived there he/she must leave a trail. A house, blood relatives needed to provide DNA samples and stuff.
As for the guns let me share with you an interesting anecdote. Have you read Charlie Wilson’s War? If not you should know that during the Afghan war against Soviet Union, Jihadists used to get weapons from Americans who in turn got it from the Israelis weapons of Russian make. Reason? If some Jihadi was captured there would be no proof of American involvement. Presence of weapon does not mean it originate one particular part of the world. I am glad that you are ready to bear with for this long. However please do me a favor and either consult an intelligence expert or grab a book on espionage. You’ll get what I mean. I often say our common enemy is hatred in all its forms and manifestations. Let us resolve to fight it.
about 1 year ago
Farukh whenever, I know you are so busy, please comment on this: Pakis bashing by neetu at harryjerry blog, they are critiszing you and another pakistani blogger, its so funny, read, Iam amazed these indians are so naive:Farrukh u will enjoy this
December 5th, 2008NeetuCurrent Events, featured
The 26/11 Mumbai attacks have left India more than just dead bodies and a lot of pain. Angry at the Government, Indians are raising their voices and giving the Government a run for it’s money. As the Government spends endless hours in stuffed conference halls trying to come out with solutions and an awful lot of lame excuses on how things went wrong, there’s a different scene back in Pakistan.
Pakistanis seem to hate the fact that their nation has been targeted by Indian authorities once again. They are not ready to accept the fact that their nation harbors terrorists, facilitates terrorist training camps and supports some of the most dreadful terrorists known to the world. For them it’s just another blame game.
The Pakistani blogosphere has been contaminated by the air Pakistani bloggers are breathing out. One such Aslam Bhai who runs a cheeky blog called Pakistanic says;
India Media as usual alleged Pakistan for this action but the terrorist themselves cleared the facts that they are not Pakistani not Kashmiris. In fact they are The Indian Muslim citizen from Hyderabad Deccan. They are young Patriotic but the way the indian muslim are treated by government and society, its the protest against all this.
I wonder which news channel did Aslam Bhai tune into. When did any terrorist say they were from Hyderabad? There is a dense Muslim population in India, Mr. Aslam. The Indian Government and society doesn’t mistreat them. If this was true, we’d be busy fighting a totally different war amongst ourselves. He goes on with;
Let’s assume that Pakistani government and agencies are behind Mumbai attacks but how could a country impose a war in other country if they are troubled by Militants and Estremists? Pakistani Army is fighting against Taliban as well as Al-queda in North west province and War is spreading toward Peshawar. It’s beyond imagination that Pakistan could even think of such coward act which couse trouble to India-Pakistan Relations.
Aslam it’s high time your country faced the music. Pakistan has been supporting terrorism for a really long time now. And if you had Physics at school you’d know that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Your country been supportive of these extremists and now they’ve hit back at your nation itself. And if these elements were Pakistan nationals, based, trained and sent from Pakistan, it’s not rocket science that Pakistan will not be blamed for it. Your country should have spent all that time and energy concentrating on economic and political reforms rather than finding cheap ways to penetrate into Indian territory.
And then comes Riaz Haq who is talking about a possible Indian military action on Pakistan. He says;
Even though Pakistan’s military is dwarfed in size by the Indian military, it is still a very large, well-equipped, well-trained and effective professional fighting force that has never hesitated in taking on India’s conventionally superior might. Contrary to the Indian folklore of “defeating Pakistan” in several wars, India has not been able to score any decisive victories over Pakistani military except in Bangladesh war where Pakistanis, cut off from the Western wing of the country and surrounded by India, found themselves trapped by a ferocious Bengali insurgency supported by Indian government.
Mr. Riaz your Pakistani army has lost all it’s battles. Indian defense forces have shown you the door every time you folks felt like drifting into Indian territories. Even if today we find ourselves in a war like situation I’m afraid your tiny country might have to perish. May be you people are just angry at the fact that every time you decided to play War, you got defeated with a bang.
One Farrukh Khan bashes India’s Pranab Mukherjee;
The problem with people like Mukherjee is that their limited gray matter never allows them to think like statesmen. He is no Nehru after all. That is precisely why he is continuously mismanaging the situation. The premature demand for twenty suspects, no heroes for me rest assured, smacks of hubris and a premature craving to act as a superpower.
Mukherjee is no Nehru, I agree. And I’m thankful to God that he’s not. I also agree that the demand for the twenty most-wanted men was premature. It has been so for the past several years. It’s like we’ve got a list and when something happens we dig it out and hand it over to Pakistan. Mind you Mr. Farrukh it’s not ’suspects’ as you put it. These twenty people are well known hardcore terrorists who pose a grave threat to innocent lives. The evidence is all over and even you and your folks know about it. Why are these people walking freely in Pakistan?
Mr. Farrukh then chalks out a solution to the current India Pakistan crises with;
The best, and perhaps the only, option then is that India with the help of the international community probes the matter and compiles the evidence. Then it can provide Pakistan the evidence with the diplomatic request to try the accused. Pakistan government then can ensure that the apex court’s full bench tries these element in open and transparent hearings and they are finally brought to the book.
Now this is hilarious. I like your sense of humor Mr. Farrukh. You’ll try those people? That too in Pakistan itself? Oh please! The thing you guys have running there in Pakistan is total Idiocracy!
And if the Pakistani blogosphere wasn’t enough to boil my blood, it’s was Pakistan’s president Asif Ali Zardari on CNN’s Larry King Live. Listen to this;
King: What do you believe is the responsibility, if any, of — I want to get this right — Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant group that’s aimed at ending Indian rule in Kashmir? Do you think they’re involved?
Zardari: That’s a banned organization, Larry, in Pakistan and all around the world. If indeed they are involved, we would not know. Again, they are people who operate outside the system. They operate like — al Qaeda, for instance, is not state-oriented. They operate something on that mechanism, and we would love to — I’ve already offered to India full cooperation on this incident, and we intend to do that.
Mr. Zardari if Lashkar-e-Taiba is a banned organization then how come they freely set up training camps all over Pakistan? How come their top notch officials are walking freely across the country? Your stupid statements only anger us Mr. Zardari. So sit down and stop barking like a stray dog. You have better things to worry about in your country. Your worthless cooperation is not needed.
My blood is boiling as I sit down and read these statements on Pakistani blogs. All this while Pakistani media comes out with a story alleging the involvement of Hindu elements in the Mumbai tragedy. How can a nation be full of morons? I guess they assassinate any sane person in the country. The current state of their nation is horrifying. They have no money. They survive on World Bank grants and the moolah US throws at them. Indian authorities have reasons to believe that Zardari might not be in total control and that ISI and the Army are calling the shots in Pakistan. I’m looking forward to how the Obama administration will treat Pakistan. As far as India is concerned, we’re into Gandhigiri stupidity!
about 1 year ago
Farrukh
I appreciate your nationalist zeal. Thats how it should be. You talked about the same racial stock. That’s the moot point. A blood brother can be your worst enemy. This is our racial trait. You talk of hindu extremism. Well Col. Purohit is a lemon compared to a mashak(goat skin) of acid that islamic terrorism is, in this well of milk.Muslims are angry all over the world, in east, in west. The world is not free of subjugation or unjustice but nine out of ten insurgencies involve muslims. and the adversarial condition is mostly between people of same genetic stock only difference being religion.
What I wish to point out is Denial of your past causes most complications we see today. If the memory of our ancestory is not banished then we will hesitate to kill each other on an impulse. You folks there believe in legitimacy of Kashmir and Palestine’s struggle well the difference is that you allow history to only begin in 786 AD. for hindus and jews it began 5000 years ago.You must be a muslim may be only for 25 generations. You harp about a Babri masjid , For all you know the head of one of your hindustani ancestor might lie in foundation of one such kuvat ul islam mosque.
One should not be vindictive, but its important to know history correctly, may be till the primordial past.
And then all of us would be more congenial.
So teach history correctly in your country, may be not A hindu version but A western version atleast.
about 1 year ago
Dear Mr.Pitafi,
Kudos again for your attempts to present a balanced viewpoint and staving off vitriol from Indian readers.The fact that the anguish comes from the Indian side shows who the affected party is.The innocent common man in Pakistan,in spite of knowing that he is in no way associated with terrorism,has come to realise that inevitably,he too is drawn into the battle between polarising forces.Deep in his heart he knows the mischief his people have been upto in trying to disrupt the peaceful atmosphere in a neighbouring country.In spite of this,due to existential reasons,he justifies their actions as being supportive of the freedom movement in Kashmir.
Right is right,and wrong is wrong,whatever reasons one uses to justify them.Thats the truth.The repercussions that follow reflect the law of Karma that what goes around,comes around.The initial pakistani expressions(false) of innocence and of being unjustly blamed have changed now to acceptance,as the Government conducts raids on the Lashkar camps and “arrests” a few people.
The human mind (Rajah in Sanskrit)is a strange entity.It is ruled by the moon(mother)(which also affects the tides,women’s periods(28days being the period to make one rotation) and moods in people)is closely related to the Ego which basically acts for self-preservation.It makes you believe that what you see is not real and makes up arguments,even twisting facts, to justify this. The Human heart is however different.It is the seat of the soul(father) and is ruled by the sun.The sun doesnt change unlike the moon and is stable,doing its duty without vacillation.It is also the seat of the strange phenomena called conscience.Even if your mind misleads you,the soul reminds you and attempts to put you on the correct path.However,if you are dominated by Rajas,you brush aside your conscience and pay heed to the mind.The results of following the conscience are as follows-Initial pain(getting up in the morning,discipline,studying)but sweetness later.The results of following the mind are as follows-Initial sweet(Partying,forbidden tastes,thrills)but pain later.The wise man follows the conscience as the final outcome is focussed on.The fool follows the mind,falling for short term enjoyment. and suffering later.
Pakistan has always followed the mind,first being inheritor of the Islamic invasion of India,secondly insisting on the vivisection of the sub-continent,thirdly initiating the “bleeding by a thousand cuts” to trouble India AND justifying it by labelling it as a fight for freedom,watching with glee (we took Pakistan,we will take India)as India suffered terrorist attacks,and making indignant faces when blamed and disbelief when confronted with the proof.
However,Karma works without bias,delivering what you sow with unfailing accuracy.The few Indian feeble attempts at terror are responses to Islamic terrorism,mind you,not instigators,and they will suffer for their actions.For millenia,the soul of India was the objectivisation of Truth.The pursuit and realisation of truth made India victim to greedy invaders.Mahatma Gandhi once wrote, “Every Hindu is a coward and every Muslim is a bully.”Inspite of this,the soul of India encompassed all,hosting not only the invaders,but people of all faiths-Muslims,Jews,Christians,Greeks,Scythians,Persians,Turks..because it KNEW that the same soul resides in ALL.
The Pious muslim who follows his conscience and follows his faith,seeing the same soul in everyone is a feeble minority.The Muslim who follows his mind is the very entity that has been emblazoned in human minds-born to loot,ravage and plunder and is the majority everywhere.Pakistan,the land of the pure ,has heeded always to the mind.and is now suffering the fruits of its actions,firmly denying its own hand in its burial.When will it shed its denial,listen to its feeble conscience and stand up?
about 1 year ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/world/asia/08terror.html?_r=1&hp
if you still deny the reports the way you have been all along.. god save you and your stooge abdlsy
about 1 year ago
farrukh, i see that there has been a lot of digression in your post and the comments following it. Let us just narrow down the subject of debate here.. THE MUMBAI ATTACKS.. thats it ! no LTTE.. no past.. no PoK.. no politicians… nothing else… lets stick to the events… i’m posting a few simple qns below and would appreciate your responses INLINE.
1. do you believe that pak agencies had a role to play in the mumbai attacks (y/n)
2. do you believe that the arrested person ‘kasab’ is a pakistani (y/n)
3. do you believe that kasab is a part of LeT
3. if the answer to 2 or 3 is NO.. then how would you explain his confession. Is he lying
4. if there really is no ISI link, then how would you explain the findings of the US and Indian agencies that show ISI has shared intel with the LeT.
5. if pak really is all for routing out terrorism, why did it wait for an incident of this sort before its crackdown on LeT camps. Was is solely due to pressure from the US and India.
6. if pak really wants to assist india in all investigations, why did it offer to send the ISI chief over and then back out the next day.
7. do you believe that LeT is a terrorist org. or do u think that they’re just ‘teachers’
8. pak has been fighting the war against terrorism, agreed. but given its failure (LeT & such are still at large), do you think others should now take a shot at it (on behalf of pak)
i would appreciate if you can provide SIMPLE single line answers to these qns without any wordplay or bringing up any unrelated events. forget muslim extremists, hindu extremists, blasts in assam, blasts in PoK etc. etc. Pl just stick to THIS incident.
about 1 year ago
India is a liar. US is a liar. UK is a liar. None of what the world says is true. None of those terrorists were from Pakistan. Where’s that Academy Award? Hand it over or prepare to get bombed.
about 1 year ago
The essence of non-violence as espoused by India as its state policy could possibly have restrained its guts to respond towards state sponsored terrorism perpetrated by Pakistan.
No big thinking required to explain the very existence of Pakistan whose subsistence entirely depends hate policy pursued against India once that withers away from the minds of those God forsaken morons then the hell called Pakistan ceases to exist in the face of this earth.
It is the pristine Bharat which has been broken into pieces for no apparent saner reasons which a great number of Indian Muslims also ascribe as a foolish move by a group of men from both sides under the influence of eerie stupor.
We, the student of human history and who have also also studied its gradual evolution where humanity have been subjected to various affliction due its own ignorance becaus ignorance is the cause of all afflictions of every society.
What we need to remove is ignorance and for the act of removal of ignorance you do not have to initiate action but to bring in knowledge or enlightenment among people who are sunk into depths of ignorance.
What Pakintanis have to assess that why they are away from the fountainhead of love and compassion as exhibited by Gandhi and other great leaders of this great country called Bharat.
about 1 year ago
Hey guys! Give it a rest. Little point debating when the average chap in Pakistan has got blinkers on. Remember the old adage ” Never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level and then beat you with their sheer experience.”
about 1 year ago
please add a couple more qns to my above comment
9. do you believe that the 9/11 and 26/11 incidents were ‘staged’ as some of pak’s media personnel have been saying in their talk shows (y/n)
10. Pak foreign minister Mr. qureshi has said that the 26/11 suspects would not be handed over to india EVEN IF all allegations against them are proven. Why’s this, since the crime was against Indian citizens ON Indian soil.
Once again, i urge you to keep your responses succinct and keep other events out of the picture.
your answers here would give us a clear picture of what YOU think happened and we can simply avoid throwing words around as has been the case in the comments and responses so far.
about 1 year ago
Pakistan and Bangladesh are poor. So do Indian Muslims. Genesis of Poverty is Ignorance and Ignorance is Islam
about 1 year ago
If I replace the term Indians with Idiot than this would not be so inaccurate to do so. They don’t see the true picture, and they are really do not see the truth. Pakistan, the nation of great religion, has been many times accused of being sponsoring and supporting the Kashmiri freedom fighter, Afghan defense against soviet invasion and on many failures of indian defense for protecting its people, but no viable evidences has ever been given either to Pakistan, United Nation. Many people from Pakistan have been accused of links with many riots in india but why no evidence has been provided or Interpol being contacted? Recently they establish that the detained terrorist belongs to Pakistan, however the truth is that, which being hidden by Indian media is that all such details provided by india pertains to a person who have died 15 years ago – just ask yourself why indian or supporters of indian media are not showing the relatives of detained suspect, why not showing the videos of villagers who said that they knew that detained person – We all know that Indian media – Indian govt. is lying and lies don’t live and speak for long.
A person who had seen his mother, wife, sister, daughter being raped by soldiers, knives being put into their sensitive body organs, infants being burnt alive, killing for no reason – this all happen in indian occupied Kashmir, indian Gujrat, and even mumbai – what do you expect him to do – he’ll fight for his defense – and will be termed by cowards as terrorist – yes he is a terrorist to those who made him to become one.
Previously they were showing photos in which so-called terrorist was wearing the thread band on his right hand – now they are showing the same picture without that band – isn’t it their effort to hide the truth that those persons were infact Hindu and actually planted by indians themselves. How can they simply said that there exist no evidence of any indian support – nobody would believe that only idiots can and they have accepted that as truth.
about 1 year ago
I stay in mumbai and I saw the terrorist been killed at chowpatty as i stay there and it happend right below my building i walked to my window after hearing gunshots and the view was unreal.It lasted for maybe 2 minutes or so and i was ducking for cover even though no one was firing at me, maybe i was scared of a stray bullet comming my way or maybe the sound of gunshot was too loud or scary. It’s the first time in my life that i saw people trying to kill people and the question that scene left in my mind is how can human carry an act that could kill another human and be ok with it. After the gunfight i saw hundereds of police in jeeps and vans arriving at the scene within minutes and before they arrived people on the street started thrasing the dead bodies of terrorist but i found out later that one of them was captured alive and i cannot forget their faces i saw this guy qasab’s body removed from car and put in an ambulance as police tried to control the public anger. I even saw police getting anyoed by arriving media personal trying to cover the story. I must say these media guys are even bigger jihadi’s then the actual one’s they will go to any extent to cover a story i sometimes wonder if scenes around them have any impact on thier thoughts at all. Anyways the situtaion outside died down and i continued watching TV through the night till 7 in the morning. I was feeling futiged and burdened and as if someone had abused me, attack on the the city felt very pesonal as if i was a victim myself i went to sleep and woke up at around one in the afternoon as my office was going to remain closed the next day. The thing is at that point i was so numb that i could not think anymore there was this great sense of anger and frustaition i did not know what to do with it. The situation as we know carried on for two days and while it lasted i could not function. After all died down reports in media blaming pakistan than the groups based in pakistan backed by the famous ISI started surfacing and i was tracking most of them. I used the word famous for ISI as their name always appears with almost every terror incident in India. I also participated in the gateway protest where thousands of people showed up to show solidarity to victims and anger against government, politicians, pakistan and anything they could think of.
The key questions after this experience that come to my mind is what do i think or feel about Pakistan. Do I hate Pakistan offcourse not, do i blame it yes i do. Why? Well for starting the proxy war and than loosing control of it(the elements that have made business out of it). Why it started well a baby can answer that question and i do hold people on both sides responsible for it. Do i want stability in Pakistan? a big yes, why? Well if the government is stable and in control there is hope and accountibility otherwise these people are like stray bullets that could hit anyone anywhere. Do i think religion plays a role in terrorism? yes, Do i think terroist care about religion? No. Do i think bombing camps in Pakistan is a solution? no, Why? Well how many camps will you destroy and how many terrorist will you kill and how does that discourage someone else from taking up that path and anyway these camps can be setup anywhere and they don’t cost much. Do i think Pakistan is a victim of terror? Yes, Why? That is something i would want Pakistani’s to ask to themselfs and find the answer to hopefully they look at the bigger picture rather than just blaming USA and taliban for the problem and they are part of the problem no doubt. What do i think of ISI? I think it is just a corrupt government organiztion with oportune people sitting inside to take advantage of situation to their benefit. I do strongly belive that terror has turn into a industry where people hold publics emotion hostage to carry out their agenda and illegal activities in name of religion, faith and national causes. As for India Pakistan relationship i don’t want to comment as i am neither a leader or hold any public office from where i can make a difference all i can do is talk and give my opinion which i think if not utelized is worth shit so why waste your words on relationship building and state affairs. I am one of those persons who like to abuse Pakistan and it’s policies when i am sitting with friends and i enjoy it not because i hate Pakistan, but it’s fun and good timepass.
About muslims in India all i can say is that we people have learned to live with each other and respect each others private space i have tons of muslim friends both from college and work life. I can never forget 92 riots in mumbai when some of my friends( Muslims) were in my house for weeks to save themselfs from the fury. Do you guys really think an average Indian give a dam about politics and Hindu muslim issue we here belive it’s the politician who do this for their cause and people are draged in which to me is also no lesser than terrorism. And just to let you know I always vote for BJP or Sangh as you put it not because they claim to be hindu sympathizers (which is bullshit) but i like their economic policies better than others.
Anyways I have become a fan of your blogs and look forward to new postiongs on your site. Keep up the good work.
about 1 year ago
Mr. Farukh,
I find yours as a sane voice within Pakistan (ignoring the heated jargons) and please accept my congratulations for that. I certainly believe, that from your overall discourse you agree on the following:
1) That there is a problem of extremism within Pakistan which is a cause of concern globally
2) The social, ethnic similarilities between India and Pakistan can actually make us live together and work together very closely but there is a very strong feeling of suspicion and hatred even within civil society on both sides
I believe we can agree on both sides that we need to address these 2 issues to bring the discussion on a constructive plane.
I would give a version of the extremist problem as generally viewed by us in India and many others globally including people in the west and I would request you to give your point by point rebuttal of this version as given below. (Please note that I am from that section of people in India who is soundly secular and not a fanatic nationalist anti Pakistani and believe in universal brotherhood and unification and I would like to know your views)
1) The rise of Pakistani extremism has risen due to the rise of Islamist revivalism from the time of General Zia Ul Haq and actively supported by Ronald Reagan to fight the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan. This also was simultaneous at the same time with the rise of Wahhabi Islam in Saudi Arabia and the state sponsor of their ultra conservative views world wide by the Saudi Government, which incidentally is also a very strong US ally and therefore these developments would have also been supported then by the US. The subsequent rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the fanatic world view of imposing religion over others and viewing the whole world ( the non Muslim world) as enemies also started from that time. This was in 1979- 1980 that period. The Iran revolution happenned in in mid 70′s and generally there was a rise of Islamic revivalism throghout the Arab world including Egypt especially organisations like the Muslim Brotherhood etc. This was also strengthened by the unjust occupation of Palestine by Israel which unified the Islamic world view. I must admit that to a limited extent the issue of Kashmir would have also played a role. The rise of extremism was therefore not an isolated incident, it has been bred over 30 years on the fertile ideology of Islamic revivalism, sponsored by state of Pakistan for the mujhaheedins in Afghanistan, supported by US against the Soviet in Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia ideologically and financially with petro dollars (some estimates put $100 billion dollars have been spent by Saudi Government on promotion of Wahhabi ideology globally)this happenned on the back drop of US- Soviet conflict, Israel- Palestine conflict and the Kashmir conflict.
2) With the decline of the Soviet Union, the US had withdrawn from Afghanistan leaving the state in the hands of the Taliban which they themselves had created and left Pakistan alone to deal with them. The jihadi ideology had by that time taken a stronghold over mainstream Islam all over the world with the support of Gulf oil money and were being taught all over through the madrasas everywhere including India, Pakistan and even in USA, UK everywhere. (This is a documented fact and there are several documents which proves that the Saudi Embassies and consulates were actively involved in the spread of such hate literature and madrasa curricula even in the US)
3) The poverty of Afghanistan after Soviet withdrawal and also unemployment in Pakistan with successive military governments and low economic output results in further isolation of the youth and the consolidation of anti modern reactionary ideology which fans further with the remaining two issues of Israel- Paletine conflict and Kashmir conflict. The hatred therefore moves towards the 2 remaining enemies in these conflicts- Israel and US on one hand and India on the other.
4) In the overall Muslim world the matter of Palestine is of graver concern than Kashmir.Therefore the anger is more on the US/ Israel than on India (India incidentally supports the cause of Palestine traditionally from the time of Arafat)
5) With the advent of the post cold war era and the economic growth of India the relations with US have improved dramatically between India and US and Pakistan was left with the bargain of fighting the war on terror on behalf of US in Afghanistan, which they were forced to undertake by US on the fear of complete destruction of Pakistan and Afghanistan together if Pakistan did not comply on the aftermath of 9/11. This was not a war that Pakistan wanted to fight but was compelled.
6) Situation in India has also changed with the exit of the ultra nationalist Hindutva BJP out of power and the secular Government taking steps towards rapid economic growth the focus and attention in India has moved from anti Muslim, anti Pakistan rhetoric towards economic stability and a peaceful south asia and economic co operation between SAARC nations.
6) Today Pakistan is sitting at cross roads- either to choose the road of anti modern reactionary ideology that wants to take it back to Talibanisation and establish its identity as the epicenter of Terrorism and extremism worldwide and the propounder of Global jihad against all religions or choose to become a modern state with rejection of the anti modern reactionary ideology and join the global community in economic prosperity going forward.
Now let us examine, how can we alleviate our mutual suspicion and hatred. Let us first of all acknowledge that the matter of Kashmir and Palestine which are the contentious issues globally have to be resolved with dialogue in the same way the other contentious issues of the world have been resolved in the past- the Irish issue, the Korean issue, and many other issues. It need not be that for resolution of every issue there needs to be a war or subversion or extremist attacks. In fact these only complicates the matters and makes the resolution more difficult.
Of course, the world order is changing and through time most matters get resolved. Look at Taiwan and China.
Meanwhile, let us revise our economic relations, social relations, ethnic relations, people to people contact. Let us understand each other and respect each other on matters that we can agree.
But this to succeed we must stop extremist attacks and rejection of all anti modern reactionary ideology which claims that all other religious views are our enemies.
I would like to receive a response from you on these points.
about 1 year ago
Folks, owing to eid holidays I am travelling and have hardly any access to the net. I’ll give my reaction once I am back in Lahore the place where I work that is in a day. Till then thanks for your overwhelming reaction.
about 1 year ago
Hi Farrukh
Please take offence whenever anybody says that the problem is with Islam or with Pakistani nationalism. It is not only disrespectful of a religion, but actually confusing in our attempts to find out and eradicate the real causes of terrorism.
Terrorism is a shameful act of violence – equal to murder or rape. We don’t break our heads about why a person commited murder or rape, and what are the sociopolitical/economic/religious/philosophical reasons for doing so. What we should be worrying about is why and how the hell this person got the guns, money, political backing and social acceptance to do this murder of pleasure.
I believe that terrorism can be socially acceptable if the society believes in two things (1) we are a group of people who are pure, shining and virtuous (2) our group is under attack and violence by filthy outsiders.
In fact, a huge majority of people subscribe to simplistic black-and-white ideology like this. Specifically, there are a lot of Muslims who believe that (1) Islam is the purest and only way to God (2) Muslims are under attack by filthy Kafirs. Though quite silly, I have no problem with either (1) or (2), but taken together this ideology forces people to commit murders. The very name “lashkar-e-toiba” (army of the pure) epitomizes this black-and-white ideology.
Sometimes these people distance themselves from Indians, not only with respect to their religion, but also with respect to their race (claiming they are from Central Asia and not from South Asia). It is unfortunate that these feelings of hatred and simplistic approach to religion/race are so deep rooted in Pakistan.
People who think in black-and-white like this may not do murder themselves, but are susceptible to giving social acceptance and encouragement to criminals, who take this opportunity to relive their fantasies of murdering other human beings. Let’s put a stop to all these black-and-white ideologies. Pakistan is a hotbed for this kind of hate speech, but so is India, as visible from several commentators above.
I have elaborated on this idea further on my blog.
Efforts of liberal intellectuals like you are direly needed, otherwise we will push our subcontinent to a nuclear mayhem. In that effort, my best Regards to you.
about 1 year ago
Dear Mr.Farrukh,
ACTION-Types,Happiness & the future-For Introspection ONLY!
The fact is that everyone of us is faced with the terror problem.Its presence is like the elephant in the room,you cant miss it,you cant deny your role in its existence,blaming others for its presence will not help easing the situation.The nature of things in the universe is of three types.Sattvic-Goodness,Rajasic-Passion,Tamas-Darkness.People with Darkness nature will instantly deny the problem and their role in it,and even firmly believe in it,doing actions which further sinks them into ignorance.(TAMAS is present in-Alcohol,Drugs,Suicide,violence on own person & family,eating unclean and stale food,indecision,Delusion,ignorance,vileness of behaviour,sinful actions,absence of self-control,Night time,…).They prefer happiness to action and effort.As they do not act and are mired in their own darkness,they are not happy as they are inactive.
The second category,of passionate people know their role in the elephants presence,but their passionate mind fools them into thinking about self-survival.Their mind(rajah) makes them believe that wriggling out of the situation is Essential for survival,no matter the means.The means justify the ends.Thus with their intelligence,they deny and cleverly lie and take actions to sustain these lies.Since their actions have wrong motives and are concentrated on the fruits of their actions,their actions are not pure and 100% effective with concentration on the action.This is because their attention is DIVIDED between action and the passionate fruits of action.Naturally they are not good in their actions,hence do not yield the desired fruits and are unhappy.Their passionate actions yield short term happiness after which they seek happiness again and again.(Rajas is present in Sharp tastes,Meat,fish,eggs,all passionate actions,all things with women,Daytime,Beauty,Pleasure & Pain,Power-Raja,pride,wrath,jealousy,malice,making divisions instead of seeing All as one,battle,the sense of mine,slaughter,pointing the faults of others,animosity,anxiety,false speech,cleverness,Religion,wealth,pleasure,Desire…and the end is always in pain.)
The last category is Sattva,Goodness.People with Goodness act with good motives and the fruits of their actions are offered to the benefit of all,and the benefit of their action keeps them happy.Initially the effort & discipline of doing work with good motives is difficult and painful,but once it becomes a habit,there is continuous happiness.Since they believe in action with good motives propelling them into action and without regard to result,they continously remain in happiness(with blessings from a higher source).They stabilise the Socio-economic triangle,all the other two categories die in their own logic of right and wrong.
(Sattva is present in-Joy,satisfaction,splendour,lightness,faith,enlightenment,happiness,absence of fear,contentment,forgiveness,courage,abstention from injury to all creatures,truth,equability,straightforwardness,absence of wrath,purity,prowess in following Good actions,Early morning time,Seeing the ONE spirit in all,pure foods like vegetable & fruits,grains,milk…Saints..)
People who believe in minimum work and maximum remuneration hoodwink themselves and miss happiness.Since the majority of mankind believes in this get rich scheme,happiness became a rare commodity.As long as man believes in this doctrine,he eats one another.The economic competition leads to the social competition,which produces its own malefic child called CONFLICT & CRISIS.It makes war inevitable.This is how the Indian scriptures speak about this triangle of Darkness,Passion and Goodness.
My point in lecturing about the types of people and their actions is that we are a mixture of all the three.But the wise man has a preference for Goodness because it keeps him in happiness.The passionate man has a prefernce for the second and it gives him pleasure initially and eventually results in pain.The Dark category is a pitiable state.We should therefore think,speak and act towards goodness which protects us.
Pakistan is a mixture of Passion and Darkness.The fondness for a meat diet makes people passionate,makes good warriors,but ultimately results in pain.Hence the tendency to undertake actions ,justifying the means(foment trouble in Kashmir & India by proxy)as a means of survival,denying & accusing others when confronted.Sattva or Goodness is very rare and if present, is drowned by the overwhelming Passion and darkness.Thus Pakistan is a victim of its own nature and actions.
My sympathies are with humans like Amir Kasab,who needs to JUST survive,caught up with sinister elements who exploit them in the name of Religion.His poor family wants food and a honorable existence,not politics or religion.Wanting a job,he fell into this trap.No wonder a Pakistani commentator said its impossible to stop Jihad for Pakistan because their livelihood DEPENDS on it.Its a economic problem,fair & square.A well to do Lahori or Karachi person doesnt get into Jihad,he only makes noises about it.Only impoverished pakistanis from tribal areas do the dark deed..The way you earn your money(economic) shows a lot about your character(society)The passionate people exploit the Darkness in people with their intelligence & cleverness to achieve their ends.But in the end both are unhappy.Whats the way out?Goodness,action for actions sake.The two prerequisites for action are:Good motive and offering the fruits of action to the society(as sacrifice).In such a society,the primitive instinct of competition gives place to co-operation.The beastly instincts of fear,fight and war are gradually eliminated.
In India too all the three natures are present,but due to past Karma,the presence & blessings of saints,holy places,respect to cows,Vegetarianism,Non-violence as a creed,sattva prevails deep underneath.Though passion and darkness exist on the surface,it is ultimately Sattva that prevails,but is hidden.Thus in the face of provocation,India didnt take physical action,knowing it’s useless and that only innocent and poor people like Kasabs family will suffer.It is this Sattva again which has brought India time and time again to the top after innumerable tragedies and learning lessons.After all,when you see ALL as one and that the same spirit exists in all,its useless to fight,its better to pause and admire the ways of Him to teach you to love Him through lessons of pain..After all,when you see ALL as one and that the same spirit exists in all,its useless to fight.Thus from India came non-violence,democracy,science and the pursuit of truth as the ultimate objective.These values are ravaged and mutilated by time in some form or the other,India has its fair share of problems,but ultimately Sattva or Goodness prevails.The majority of Muslim pakistan sees this passiveness as Indian cowardice,weakness,indeed the meat eating Muslim is a better warrior than the introspecting Hindu,but the Hindu takes to wise ways whereas the Passionate Muslim falls into his own trap.The peculiar passionate Muslim nature places pride on Manhood,bravery,jihad(war over external enemies,instead of inner passions) and the Muslim takes pride in his strength,calling the Hindu a coward and a bania.Mahatma Gandhi,a bania himself,therefore said-Every hindu is a coward and every muslim is a bully. It is this sane and wise voice which guides India even if ravaged by Darkness or Passion,communalism,politics,greedy invaders,natural calamities or the machinations of jealous neighbors.The muslims of India and Pakistan are also fortunate in that they share this element of Sattva(sufism-seeing the same in ALL) owing to geographical and genetic ties with the Indian Hindu population.This sets them apart from the Muslims of say Arabia who set rigid divisions and enforce them,one of the reasons why pakistan made the islamic bomb even before the other arabic states.Even the muslims of Indonesia and far east,belligerent outwardly,have deep links to the ancient vedic civilisation and inner nature,having Ganesha,the elephant God of Succes on their currency,many Indian temples,and all their Sanskrit and vedic names for their cities and themselves.
Sattva again predominates when India is relying on Diplomacy instead of force(when all pakistan is putting up a brave face and saying-we are prepared for war!War with a begging bowl?a suicidal war in which innocents are decimated?Its a peculiar nature of Passionate people,especially in the muslim world(am not stereotyping at all),where honour and pride take priority over sane reason,even prepared to fiercely die for it,eventually ending in Pain and egg on the face as in the case of honour killings,clan pride and the like..This pride and honour are foolish and suicidal.
From the New Yok Times-India’s wait-and-watch approach seems to be primarily directed at the United States, political analysts here say, and particularly at President-elect Barack Obama, who India hopes will exert a stronger hand against Pakistan. “India will have to wait until the logic of this is going to work out and the United States will have to act,” said K. Subrahmanyam, a strategic affairs analyst in New Delhi. “What we are waiting for is when Obama takes over, there will be a showdown between Pakistan and the United States, unless Pakistan is prepared to mend its ways.”
So the Sattvic voice in India will patiently wait for passionate America to take action against Pakistan,only a thorn can remove a thorn.Fifteen years ago when a reputed sattvic astrologer declared that India doesnt need to deal with Pakistan,America will bomb pakistan,I was smirking,given the then cosy relationship between America and Pakistan and anti-indian attitude of the Americans.When I asked about this,the reply was,America will take your own finger and make you poke your own eyes out.His prophecy is, alas being realised.It depends now if Pakistan can see the light before it blinds itself.
May everyone be Happy and may there be peace,peace & peace everywhere.
about 1 year ago
When I mentioned the following in the above writing -”The two prerequisites for action are:Good motive and offering the fruits of action to the society(as sacrifice)”,I emphasise the sacrifice of selfish interests and the sacrifice of the lower passions(not the sacrifice of a lower animal,as is commonly done in the name of Religion)
May saner voices prevail.
about 1 year ago
Dear Farrukh, When I presented the evidence last time you were fed up with that. I don’t know whether your innocent countrymen believe that Mumbai attackers were not stagged by Pakistani…. Below is the news I picked up from Dawn Newspaper(Pakistan National Newspaper).
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Crackdown hints at Faridkot-Mumbai link
Dawn Special Report
KARACHI, Dec 11: The targeting of Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaatud Dawa and the rounding up of the activists belonging to the two jihadi organisations appear to have been triggered by information originating in India following the capture of one of the 10 men who attacked several targets in Mumbai towards the end of last month.
During the course of Dawn’s own investigations last week our reporters were able to locate a family who claimed to be the kin of the arrested young man in Mumbai.
The sole survivor among the 10 attackers was named as Ajmal Kasab and was supposed to belong to the village Faridkot in the Punjab. Media organisations such as the BBC and now the British newspaper Observer have done reports trying to ascertain the veracity of claims appearing in the media that the young man had a home there.
On Friday last, the BBC reported unusual activity in Faridkot near Deepalpur. A BBC correspondent located a house in the village, the then inhabitants of which carried the surname of Kasab (or Qasab as the word is often spelt here). But the residents denied any link with either Ajmal or with any Amir Kasab, the name of Ajmal’s father as reported by some of the media.
At the weekend, the Observer in England claimed that it had managed to locate the house everyone was looking for so desperately. Its correspondent said he had got hold of the voters’ roll which had the names of Amir Kasab and his wife, identified as Noor, as well as the numbers on the identity cards the couple carried.
Even though the news stories by both BBC and the Observer made a mention of the LeT, some television channels in Pakistan suggested that a connection between Mumbai and Faridkot could not be established beyond a shadow of doubt.
However, the man who said he was Amir Kasab confirmed to Dawn that the young man whose face had been beamed over the media was his son.
For the next few minutes, the fifty-something man of medium build agonized over the reality that took time sinking in, amid sobs complaining about the raw deal the fate had given him and his family.
“I was in denial for the first couple of days, saying to myself it could not have been my son,” he told Dawn in the courtyard of his house in Faridkot, a village of about 2,500 people just a few kilometres from Deepalpur on the way to Kasur. “Now I have accepted it.
“This is the truth. I have seen the picture in the newspaper. This is my son Ajmal.”
Variously addressed as Azam, Iman, Kamal and Kasav, the young man, apparently in his 20s, is being kept in custody at an undisclosed place in Mumbai.
Indian media reports ‘based on intelligence sources’ said the man was said to be a former Faridkot resident who left home a frustrated teenager about four years ago and went to Lahore.
After his brush with crime and criminals in Lahore, he is said to have run into and joined a religious group during a visit to Rawalpindi.
Along with others, claimed the Indian media, he was trained in fighting. And after a crash course in navigation, said Amir Kasab, a father of three sons and two daughters, Ajmal disappeared from home four years ago.
“He had asked me for new clothes on Eid that I couldn’t provide him. He got angry and left.”
While Amir was talking, Ajmal’s two “sisters and a younger brother” were lurking about. To Amir’s right, on a nearby charpoy, sat their mother, wrapped in a chador and in a world of her own. Her trance was broken as the small picture of Ajmal lying in a Mumbai hospital was shown around. They appeared to have identified their son. The mother shrunk back in her chador but the father said he had no problem in talking about the subject.
Amir Kasab said he had settled in Faridkot after arriving from the nearby Haveli Lakha many years ago. He owned the house and made his earnings by selling pakoras in the streets of the village.
He modestly pointed to a hand-cart in one corner of the courtyard. “This is all I have. I shifted back to the village after doing the same job in Lahore.
“My eldest son, Afzal, is also back after a stint in Lahore. He is out working in the fields.”
Faridkot is far from the urbanites’ idea of a remote village. It is located right off a busy road and bears all the characteristics of a lower-middle class locality in a big city.
It has two middle-level schools, one for girls and the other for boys which Ajmal attended as a young boy. For higher standards, the students have to enroll in schools in Deepalpur which is not as far off as the word remote tends to indicate.
It by no means qualifies as Punjab’s backwaters, which makes the young Ajmal’s graduation to an international “fearmonger” even more difficult to understand. The area can do with cleaner streets and a better sewage system but the brick houses towards the side of the Kasur-Deepalpur road have a more organised look to them than is the case with most Pakistani villages.
The Observer newspaper reports that some locals seeking anonymity say the area is a hunting ground for the recruiters of LeT and provides the organisation with rich pickings.
The approach to Faridkot also points to at least some opportunities for those looking for a job. There are some factories in the surroundings, rice mills et al, interspersed with fertile land. But for the gravity of the situation, with its mellowed and welcoming ambience, the picture could be serene.
It is not and Amir Kasab repeats how little role he has had in the scheme since the day his son walked out on him. He calls the people who snatched Ajmal from him his enemies but has no clue who these enemies are. Asked why he didn’t look for his son all this while, he counters: “What could I do with the few resources that I had?”
Otherwise quite forthcoming in his answers, Amir Kasab, a mild-mannered soul, is a bit agitated at the mention of the link between his son’s actions and money. Indian media has claimed that Ajmal’s handlers had promised him that his family will be compensated with Rs150,000 (one and a half lakh) after the completion of the Mumbai mission.
“I don’t sell my sons,” he retorts.
Journalists visiting Faridkot since Dawn reporters were at the village say the family has moved from their home and some relatives now live in the house. Perhaps fearing a media invasion, nobody is willing to say where the family has gone.
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I hope even if the whole country disown the terrorist, their parents don’t disown. This is message for you and abdlsy: I would also like to Question you and your country men. Why do your country want to give protection to Dawood, Tiger Memon, Chota Shakeel people? Till begining of Nov. your country politians/army were telling these people are not living in Pakistan and finally they accepted that and plan not to deport them to India. why ?
about 1 year ago
Fahrukh
One of your pakistani newspaper Dawn acknowledges that Kasab is from Pak and the correspondent has even met Kasab’s father. I am sure you might have read that article but since you have dismissed the article in guardian which was about about the same thing as a cock and bull story and i am curious to know your reactions about this article.
http://dawn.com/2008/12/12/top6.htm
about 1 year ago
Man made God – not the other way around. Zealous religionists cause all the problems in the world & they abound in places like Pa…… By believing all this crap about “the pure” – which was put into you while you were young, in order to build ur moral fibre – well into adulthood, it is evident that moral fibre has eroded intellectual fiber! Guess the pantheists have demonstrated sense – that comes from a philosphy that is vastly ahead of our times.
about 1 year ago
raza, John etc etc are you guys living in a fantasy world, the huge list Raza you presented is very philosophical, but sorry my friend in reality that is non-existant.Who cares where the terrorist belong its wrong whoever did it, what Iam saying is Pakistani goverment was not involved, period.End of the discussion, there is not many options either india Usa or anybody has but to fix it mutually, by diplomacy and spread of education/ extending cooperation to pakistan on a long term basis. Using force is expensive solution in this Global economic times and with no long term positive outcome.
about 1 year ago
Dear Mr.Farrukh,
Reader abdlsy reflects the typical Tamasic denial I was quoting in my comment earlier.Take a look at the U-turns..
1.First the claim was NO PAKISTANI is involved,a conspiracy cooked up by CIA,RAW,Mossad..Give us proof.
2.Meekly succumbs to USA pressure and closes the “social-workers” offices,now claims NON-STATE ACTORS were involved
3.Observer and Dawn newspapers prove that the terrorist is FROM Pakistan.Now the claim is that The Government is not involved.But seeks consular access to the Gunman.
4.Soon the ISI link will be unearthed..The ISI is funded by the Government(or wil it be claimed that the funds are sent from USA or Mars?)what will be claimed next?Now newspapers are claiming its unfair to pin the terrorist tag on pakistan when it was USA which funded the Mujahideen for Afghanistan,conveniently forgetting that since 1947 pakistan was using the religion tactic against India,the USA only exploited the already existing opportunity.
5.NEXT abdlsy will claim- my states government is not involved,NEXT -hes not from my town or province,NEXT-hes not my street.,not my brother,NEXT-Not me…
The problem is that he is EVERY Pakistani who doesnt have the guts to take responsibilty and like an ostrich buries his neck in the sand,denying and hoping the problem will go away.
All the blustering about war and blabbering about fair treatment and diplomacy comes from a inner conflict,a conscience which says you are guilty and an blown up ego which refuses to admit being caught and beaten.
Look at the words-”by diplomacy and spread of education/ extending cooperation to pakistan on a long term basis”
I know the ignominy of being caught in the act and being branded,but true maturity lies in facing the problem,ADMITTING it exists,Taking responsibility,and taking disciplined action to correct the problem instead of behaving like spoilt kids refusing to confess their mischief.What do you want? a rap on the knuckles?Come on,Grow up…
about 1 year ago
Dear Farrukh,
I am really interested what Pakistan think about India and their Neighbours. I would also like to know the development activity and other important things driving Pakistan & their economy. I am very eager to read an article describing about the steps taken by Pakistan towards the development of Pakistan & tackling terror. Why don’t you write an article about Business and Developments in Pakistan, It would be great if you do so. I really think so Basic Pakistan people are not aware of the positive sides of big neighbour on east. Big example, Texas belong to Mexico long time back Americans fought and took a control over Texas and Texas enjoys spl status in America till now. Again Mexicans are not left empty handed they were give access to Trade(Export/Import) to US for their development, Now Mexico and Mexicans enjoys some status advantages compared to other ethinic communities in USA. I hope one day Pakistan will realise and will take advantage of big market on east and as well as markets on west if they come out of their Mullah Islam and follow proper Allah Islam.
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Dear Abdlsy,
Inspite of providing you that much information and still you believe that all your rogue elements in ISI/Army/Terrorist are innocent. Diplomatic channels will work only when both countries accept the differences & co-operate. I don’t know your nationality inspite of tht strong evidence you still defend your country. All the best, Closing your eyes with your hands doesn’t mean that entire world is dark, if you consider so then your ignorant.
about 1 year ago
READ this, you guys are also not sure if govt of pakistan is involved: Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee has said India was ready to share necessary information and evidence with Pakistan after completing investigations into the Mumbai terror strikes.
Speaking to Karan Thapar on CNN-IBN show ‘Devil’s Advocate’, Mukherjee said India would provide whatever information was necessary.
“Whatever evidence we have we can make available, but in this case you know we are still investigating. We have not come to any conclusions. Therefore, at this juncture, it might perhaps be PREMATURE to share the evidence,” the minister said.
premature to share evidence??????????????????? explain this statemnet, DO U GUYS PREFER WAR OVER this unfortunate incidece??? read more:
News Desk
LAHORE/RAWALPINDI: Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets intruded into Pakistan’s airspace twice on Saturday, drifting some four kilometres inside the Kashmir and Lahore sectors, Geo News reported.
The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fighters, already in the air as part of Air Defence Alert mission (Combat Air Patrol), rushed to counter the threat in the Kashmir and Lahore sectors, forcing the Indian warplanes to flee back to their airspace.
Stay cool ok, things get ugly, war, threats are dangerous options, we will all suffer, have patience, diplomacy will work, anti-paki bashing has no results, READ MORE:
by Babar Dogar
LAHORE: The Pakistan Army has confirmed an unusual movement of medium and heavy military artillery vehicles from the cantonment area of Lahore to north of Punjab through the Motorway on Saturday but the ISPR said it was only for winter exercises.
Hundreds of medium and heavy artillery vehicles moved from the Lahore Cantonment area to north of Punjab via Motorway as the 11th Corps was moving from Lahore to Tilla Range Jhelum while the 10th Corps.
YOU GUYS sitting comfortably in your home, easy to vent out blame game, both of us were never mother teresa to each other, Indian and pakistanis both have inflated egos and big time decievers, low ethical values, success is just on a piece of paper, very far behind compared to developed nations.And all of you with all your degrees are ignoring the hard facts.These kinds of comments worked till 1971, not now, not now, slow down.PEACE
about 1 year ago
hey all of you intellects, aka JOHN, raza etc etc, read this article on Mr farukhs blog, I was very impressed: copy paste this link on your browser:
http://pitafi.com/2008/12/14/arundhati-roy-voice-of-reason-finally-speaks-up/
about 1 year ago
Whats going on?INDIA////
Interpol chief presses India to provide evidence
Associated Press Writer Jean H. Lee, Associated Press Writer – Tue Dec 23, 12:24 pm ETNEW DELHI – Nearly a month after the Mumbai terror attacks, India has not provided the evidence needed for Interpol to help identify and apprehend the suspected masterminds, the chief of the global police agency said Tuesday.
Ronald Noble, speaking in Islamabad after a visit to New Delhi, said Pakistan has agreed to work with the agency to help investigate the attacks that killed 164 people in India’s financial hub last month.
But he said India has provided no names or information that would allow police in other countries to check their databases, calling it “not acceptable” for New Delhi to provide those details to the media first.
India’s reluctance to turn over evidence — while demanding that Pakistan crack down on the militant group suspected of hatching the plot — has been a major irritant to Islamabad.
On Monday, Pakistan sent fighter jets screaming through the skies near major cities in a display of military force that raised concerns the two nuclear powers may go to war for a fourth time.
about 1 year ago
raza your long list of philosophy is good for fictional novel, but in reality meat eaters and non-meaters etc etc, badly failed in india and placed your lower caste hindus in most miserable situation of any human kind on earth.