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		<title>By: Farrukh Khan Pitafi&#8217;s Official Website &#171; Indian media and I - A plea for understanding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farrukh Khan Pitafi&#8217;s Official Website &#171; Indian media and I - A plea for understanding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] done on both sides could be much much more than the Mumbai carnage or any conflict in the region. I have already recommended what appears to me the only doable solution. It is your decision what to choose. Also I will try to upload the video grabs of my talkshows on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] done on both sides could be much much more than the Mumbai carnage or any conflict in the region. I have already recommended what appears to me the only doable solution. It is your decision what to choose. Also I will try to upload the video grabs of my talkshows on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Farrukh</title>
		<link>http://pitafi.com/2008/12/03/mumbai-tragedy-a-doable-solution/comment-page-2/#comment-1647</link>
		<dc:creator>Farrukh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yusuf, you will never get it. Your faith, your namaaz doesn&#039;t matter to me. If you care to read before you write and happen to see my next post you&#039;ll know what I believe in. First please stop making Dawood Ibrahim, another Osama bin Laden. I am no fan of his but when you people mention him I don&#039;t understand what is being said. Tell me where is he? Do you know his location? No. If Gujarat is not our business how the hell is Karachi yours? I am closing this thread in the vain hope that you&#039;ll read the next topic. May you have power to understand before you try to be understood. Here is the next topic: 
http://pitafi.com/2008/12/07/answering-my-interlocutors-part-one/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yusuf, you will never get it. Your faith, your namaaz doesn&#8217;t matter to me. If you care to read before you write and happen to see my next post you&#8217;ll know what I believe in. First please stop making Dawood Ibrahim, another Osama bin Laden. I am no fan of his but when you people mention him I don&#8217;t understand what is being said. Tell me where is he? Do you know his location? No. If Gujarat is not our business how the hell is Karachi yours? I am closing this thread in the vain hope that you&#8217;ll read the next topic. May you have power to understand before you try to be understood. Here is the next topic:<br />
<a href="http://pitafi.com/2008/12/07/answering-my-interlocutors-part-one/" rel="nofollow">http://pitafi.com/2008/12/07/answering-my-interlocutors-part-one/</a></p>
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		<title>By: MohdYusuf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farrukh,
I appreciate ur views and the rationalist voice, however, I see Pakistani politicos in ur comments. Just like Pakistan has been ignoring India&#039;s plea to handover Dawood Ibrahim, so have u ignored the question, WHY CAN PAKISTAN NOT HANDOVER DAWOOD TO INDIA? He is not a Pakistani national that he needs to be tried in ur courts, or do u think he is? Then why is Pakistan playing the saint? Please comment. 
PS: FYI, I am a Muslim, a namaazi and proud to be an Indian. I hate Islamic fundamentalists from ur country trying to rape MY COUNTRY in d name of saving me or my community from atrocities in India. Godhra and Gujarat is OUR business, Pakistanis please stay out of it.
Allahafiz. Jai Hind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farrukh,<br />
I appreciate ur views and the rationalist voice, however, I see Pakistani politicos in ur comments. Just like Pakistan has been ignoring India&#8217;s plea to handover Dawood Ibrahim, so have u ignored the question, WHY CAN PAKISTAN NOT HANDOVER DAWOOD TO INDIA? He is not a Pakistani national that he needs to be tried in ur courts, or do u think he is? Then why is Pakistan playing the saint? Please comment.<br />
PS: FYI, I am a Muslim, a namaazi and proud to be an Indian. I hate Islamic fundamentalists from ur country trying to rape MY COUNTRY in d name of saving me or my community from atrocities in India. Godhra and Gujarat is OUR business, Pakistanis please stay out of it.<br />
Allahafiz. Jai Hind</p>
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		<title>By: radar rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>radar rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>farrukh
why are you and the other pakistani readers so obsessed with what happened in gujarat?
im sorry for sounding so crude, but the people who died were INDIAN citizens. why should that be an issue with you? Why does pakistan always cite the example of the godhra riots whenever it needs to bad mouth india...its our problem. keep out of it. 
people in pakistan get enraged over the godhra issue not realizing that it involved indian citizens and not pakistanis. the problem with quite a few non-indian muslims especially in pakistan (not all obviously) is that they see themselves as musim first and pakistani later. why is that?? why is religion so important that it transcends national boundaries??

We have mechanisms in India to deal with such issues. You keep out of it.

Ill give you an example which will make you see my point. The Times of India (the leading newspaper in india) ran an article on its front page on the day after the terrorists were neutralized. It told the story of one of the survivors.
In the taj on the first day of the attack, the terrorists lined up around 17 people against the wall in one of the restaurants to kill them. Before they could do so a woman asked them why they were killing them. The terrorist said &quot;APNE GUJARAT MEIN KYA KIYA THA, BHOOL GAYE KYA.&quot;(sic). Then that paksitani terrorist started firing.
This incident was recounted by one of the 17 who managed to escape by pretending to be dead.

See what I mean.

The rationale behind the attack of those pakistani miltants was a riot which didnt happen in their country, which didnt affect a  single pakistani.
They felt that their faith had been attacked. How retarded is this view...
This is the single biggest problem with pakistanis and indeed the entire muslim community outside of india. 

Your fundamentalists, your madrassas dont realise that they are making things even more difficult for indian muslims. They are being ostracized by other communities in india, now more than ever. 
Dumb F***s.(pakistani fundamentalists i mean)

Dont think for one minute that i hate islam or what it teaches. What i hate is that islam is being taken to seriously by its followers. Its irrational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>farrukh<br />
why are you and the other pakistani readers so obsessed with what happened in gujarat?<br />
im sorry for sounding so crude, but the people who died were INDIAN citizens. why should that be an issue with you? Why does pakistan always cite the example of the godhra riots whenever it needs to bad mouth india&#8230;its our problem. keep out of it.<br />
people in pakistan get enraged over the godhra issue not realizing that it involved indian citizens and not pakistanis. the problem with quite a few non-indian muslims especially in pakistan (not all obviously) is that they see themselves as musim first and pakistani later. why is that?? why is religion so important that it transcends national boundaries??</p>
<p>We have mechanisms in India to deal with such issues. You keep out of it.</p>
<p>Ill give you an example which will make you see my point. The Times of India (the leading newspaper in india) ran an article on its front page on the day after the terrorists were neutralized. It told the story of one of the survivors.<br />
In the taj on the first day of the attack, the terrorists lined up around 17 people against the wall in one of the restaurants to kill them. Before they could do so a woman asked them why they were killing them. The terrorist said &#8220;APNE GUJARAT MEIN KYA KIYA THA, BHOOL GAYE KYA.&#8221;(sic). Then that paksitani terrorist started firing.<br />
This incident was recounted by one of the 17 who managed to escape by pretending to be dead.</p>
<p>See what I mean.</p>
<p>The rationale behind the attack of those pakistani miltants was a riot which didnt happen in their country, which didnt affect a  single pakistani.<br />
They felt that their faith had been attacked. How retarded is this view&#8230;<br />
This is the single biggest problem with pakistanis and indeed the entire muslim community outside of india. </p>
<p>Your fundamentalists, your madrassas dont realise that they are making things even more difficult for indian muslims. They are being ostracized by other communities in india, now more than ever.<br />
Dumb F***s.(pakistani fundamentalists i mean)</p>
<p>Dont think for one minute that i hate islam or what it teaches. What i hate is that islam is being taken to seriously by its followers. Its irrational.</p>
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		<title>By: Farrukh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farrukh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes IamYuva and John, there have been plenty of arrests in Pakistan on the allegation of terrorism. Why do you think there are so many Pakistanis in the Gitmo? Please do read Musharraf&#039;s memoir and the western reports of the arrests made. How did Aafia Siddiqui reach the US otherwise? But I have always opposed the handing over of any Pakistani to any foreign country/authority without a fair trial in Pakistani courts and I&#039;ll not change that opinion now.
It so happens that I have been a critic of the textbooks you have mentioned too and we have been able to bring some changes to. 
Finally John, an angry man opens his mouth and shuts his eyes. What the Indian press is attributing to the US either comes from the neocons or then is a product only of fertile imagination. We still waiting for evidence.
abdlsy and others who were addressed if you have to make a final point please do so that I can close this thread and introduce the new one which is under process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes IamYuva and John, there have been plenty of arrests in Pakistan on the allegation of terrorism. Why do you think there are so many Pakistanis in the Gitmo? Please do read Musharraf&#8217;s memoir and the western reports of the arrests made. How did Aafia Siddiqui reach the US otherwise? But I have always opposed the handing over of any Pakistani to any foreign country/authority without a fair trial in Pakistani courts and I&#8217;ll not change that opinion now.<br />
It so happens that I have been a critic of the textbooks you have mentioned too and we have been able to bring some changes to.<br />
Finally John, an angry man opens his mouth and shuts his eyes. What the Indian press is attributing to the US either comes from the neocons or then is a product only of fertile imagination. We still waiting for evidence.<br />
abdlsy and others who were addressed if you have to make a final point please do so that I can close this thread and introduce the new one which is under process.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Farrukh, 

I don&#039;t believe that you still expect some kind of evidence from US that your country is committing a mistake of breeding terrorist, Its really funny that when your neighbours(India, Afgan) provides you enough evidence about the involvement of rogue elements inside Pakistan (Not common man.) you still seek for evidence, You want a friend who is 15000km away from you to prove it that you did a mistake. but then still you folks don&#039;t believe that is evident enough to take action. I hope you read New York Times, Time and Washington Post, I don&#039;t need to provide you all the links over here to prove it, coz neither me nor u a diplomat. You can find that in their site by searching. Pakistan is a great country I don&#039;t deny it, they have good role in playing in S.Asia rather than playing their current role. If your true friends are Isreal, US, Saudi &amp; China why those folks didn&#039;t lend you any money for your country during the time of emergency and you end up in IMF? please think about it &quot;Friend in need is Friend indeed&quot;. Again my intension is not to hurt you/readers or win over you in this debate. Good Luck Author,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Farrukh, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that you still expect some kind of evidence from US that your country is committing a mistake of breeding terrorist, Its really funny that when your neighbours(India, Afgan) provides you enough evidence about the involvement of rogue elements inside Pakistan (Not common man.) you still seek for evidence, You want a friend who is 15000km away from you to prove it that you did a mistake. but then still you folks don&#8217;t believe that is evident enough to take action. I hope you read New York Times, Time and Washington Post, I don&#8217;t need to provide you all the links over here to prove it, coz neither me nor u a diplomat. You can find that in their site by searching. Pakistan is a great country I don&#8217;t deny it, they have good role in playing in S.Asia rather than playing their current role. If your true friends are Isreal, US, Saudi &amp; China why those folks didn&#8217;t lend you any money for your country during the time of emergency and you end up in IMF? please think about it &#8220;Friend in need is Friend indeed&#8221;. Again my intension is not to hurt you/readers or win over you in this debate. Good Luck Author,</p>
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		<title>By: IamYuva</title>
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		<dc:creator>IamYuva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farrukh, I like you want peace and want stable, responsible pakistan. I do believe just 1% of bad elements in your country is giving  other 99% bad reputation. I am working aboard now and living many countries. I often across here Pakistani like indians working hard working, supportive. my disagreements is:

*) Historic US foreign policy created fundamentalism and they are paying heavy price now. unfortunate that is happening to pakistan now. historically pakistan establishment supported terror against india. now they are getting cut by the same sword. will your government learn from the past and act atleast now? I hope they do... but I dont think they will. 

*) No country is perfect. certainly we(india) are not either but even most irrational person would be agree with so much difference and diversity we have made significant progress not by change or luck. ignoring small local terror group..largely no one wants to see split india. we co-exists smoothly. its no change/luck either. certainly your have some diversity too but nothing close to (say american or UK in terms language,religion,.. and far from india. infact india is very unique in that front) yet progress made in your country over decade is very very slow. one of terrorist arrested believe to said that his father was paid 1900$ for him to flight...just $1900. thatz price paid to kill 200people. 

*) even with so much anti-muslim sentiments almost every ever in the world, we were proud to say no significant indian personal were involved in international terrorist attacks. remember, we have second largest muslim population in the world. much more then your population. recently survey showed that our young genX muslim brother/sister never been more optimist than now about the prospect of better life. can you honesty say that its true for your country? if you are rational enough accept the fault then why? politicians is no answer. hope you know our politician is no different either- corrupt, responsible, anything-for-power, stupid-personal. (ofcourse iam ignore few smart leader &amp; policies during last 50years)  so what is difference?? 

*) No action is as good as supporting. you mentioned: &gt;&gt;&quot;For a person who has always opposed Gitmo and Abu Ghareb it is possible to justify handing of Pakistani citizens to another country? I think not.&quot; is there any arrest made so far(in your history) for supporting terror in India? no. why will this time be different? 

*) even peace loving pakistani friends doesnt want accept pakistan&#039;s mistake &amp; history in terror. always peace process will start with apologies for mistakes. No?

Very interesting post @ pakteahouse 
http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/pakistan-at-cross-roads-democracy-terror-and-the-politics-of-denial/

and indian media report @ http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1211912&amp;pageid=0
which happens to be my view as well. 

happy to discuss &amp; disagree (peacefully &amp; rationally)

an peace loving Indian..Yuva</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farrukh, I like you want peace and want stable, responsible pakistan. I do believe just 1% of bad elements in your country is giving  other 99% bad reputation. I am working aboard now and living many countries. I often across here Pakistani like indians working hard working, supportive. my disagreements is:</p>
<p>*) Historic US foreign policy created fundamentalism and they are paying heavy price now. unfortunate that is happening to pakistan now. historically pakistan establishment supported terror against india. now they are getting cut by the same sword. will your government learn from the past and act atleast now? I hope they do&#8230; but I dont think they will. </p>
<p>*) No country is perfect. certainly we(india) are not either but even most irrational person would be agree with so much difference and diversity we have made significant progress not by change or luck. ignoring small local terror group..largely no one wants to see split india. we co-exists smoothly. its no change/luck either. certainly your have some diversity too but nothing close to (say american or UK in terms language,religion,.. and far from india. infact india is very unique in that front) yet progress made in your country over decade is very very slow. one of terrorist arrested believe to said that his father was paid 1900$ for him to flight&#8230;just $1900. thatz price paid to kill 200people. </p>
<p>*) even with so much anti-muslim sentiments almost every ever in the world, we were proud to say no significant indian personal were involved in international terrorist attacks. remember, we have second largest muslim population in the world. much more then your population. recently survey showed that our young genX muslim brother/sister never been more optimist than now about the prospect of better life. can you honesty say that its true for your country? if you are rational enough accept the fault then why? politicians is no answer. hope you know our politician is no different either- corrupt, responsible, anything-for-power, stupid-personal. (ofcourse iam ignore few smart leader &amp; policies during last 50years)  so what is difference?? </p>
<p>*) No action is as good as supporting. you mentioned: &gt;&gt;&#8221;For a person who has always opposed Gitmo and Abu Ghareb it is possible to justify handing of Pakistani citizens to another country? I think not.&#8221; is there any arrest made so far(in your history) for supporting terror in India? no. why will this time be different? </p>
<p>*) even peace loving pakistani friends doesnt want accept pakistan&#8217;s mistake &amp; history in terror. always peace process will start with apologies for mistakes. No?</p>
<p>Very interesting post @ pakteahouse<br />
<a href="http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/pakistan-at-cross-roads-democracy-terror-and-the-politics-of-denial/" rel="nofollow">http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/pakistan-at-cross-roads-democracy-terror-and-the-politics-of-denial/</a></p>
<p>and indian media report @ <a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1211912&amp;pageid=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1211912&amp;pageid=0</a><br />
which happens to be my view as well. </p>
<p>happy to discuss &amp; disagree (peacefully &amp; rationally)</p>
<p>an peace loving Indian..Yuva</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To abdlsy: 

Putting your narration in FULL CAPS means your shouting at me, I am not bothered about that. I didn&#039;t say that Farrukh is 100% wrong and doing a false progranda. One of the charactics of Journalist is to accept the mistake and correct it, rather than defending it. I am not bothered about your comments nor it affects you in due course. Read my comments fully and comment on it. Accept the fact rather than denying it, I haven&#039;t said anything which is not there... Try to develop yourself and get involved in the development.... Good Luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To abdlsy: </p>
<p>Putting your narration in FULL CAPS means your shouting at me, I am not bothered about that. I didn&#8217;t say that Farrukh is 100% wrong and doing a false progranda. One of the charactics of Journalist is to accept the mistake and correct it, rather than defending it. I am not bothered about your comments nor it affects you in due course. Read my comments fully and comment on it. Accept the fact rather than denying it, I haven&#8217;t said anything which is not there&#8230; Try to develop yourself and get involved in the development&#8230;. Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO Numan,

First your do a in-depth research about India before making an comment, I don&#039;t make comments about Pakistan unless and until I am fully aware of the subject. I am trying to understand what you guys were taught in school from class - I to XII. There is a big research done by your own scholors about what your books says to your own country man. I had studied in India, I never taught that Pakistan is a enemy country. When it comes to cricket we make fun and forget about the past. Offcourse US is investing money in India because of the potential skills and knowledge. First you recognize friends and then try to do some research before you put facts, US involvement in India&#039;s business is lower than EU - India patnership. One of your authors rightly said in his Dawn Newspaper, Muslims in India live in peace than Muslims in Pakistan (He means the fight between the Shina &amp; Sunni muslims inside pakistan). Every country has positive and negative side, if you keep speakin on negative side where do you have brain cells left for thinking postive side??? Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO Numan,</p>
<p>First your do a in-depth research about India before making an comment, I don&#8217;t make comments about Pakistan unless and until I am fully aware of the subject. I am trying to understand what you guys were taught in school from class &#8211; I to XII. There is a big research done by your own scholors about what your books says to your own country man. I had studied in India, I never taught that Pakistan is a enemy country. When it comes to cricket we make fun and forget about the past. Offcourse US is investing money in India because of the potential skills and knowledge. First you recognize friends and then try to do some research before you put facts, US involvement in India&#8217;s business is lower than EU &#8211; India patnership. One of your authors rightly said in his Dawn Newspaper, Muslims in India live in peace than Muslims in Pakistan (He means the fight between the Shina &amp; Sunni muslims inside pakistan). Every country has positive and negative side, if you keep speakin on negative side where do you have brain cells left for thinking postive side??? Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Numan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Numan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@My$0.02
Dear Mr. whatsoever we have nothing to do with your so called booming economy which is due to the fact that americans are investing billions of dollars to penetrate in your country&#039;s policy making decisions.Dont see it so simple that India Is booming just because you have huge amounts of it experts,software engineers who are ruling Microsoft and many others.i accept that you people rock in IT.But dont forget that india is ruled by the Most precious human beings(The Brahmins) according to their thinking, and everyone knows what their ideology is?So please bother about india developing at a marginal rate but not for ordinary human beings in india(which according to The Hindu Zionists have no right to live).I dont want to discuss that when A dalit struglles in india just to stay alive.i can give very famous example of Mr A R Rehman who is ruling bollywood now,was struggling in mumbai when he was a Dalit.In pakistan you will not find any person whose thinking is that he becomes unclean by touching poor human beings.i have been seen this in india everywhere.So please give your public basic human rights first then talk about indian booming economy and etc.</description>
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Dear Mr. whatsoever we have nothing to do with your so called booming economy which is due to the fact that americans are investing billions of dollars to penetrate in your country&#8217;s policy making decisions.Dont see it so simple that India Is booming just because you have huge amounts of it experts,software engineers who are ruling Microsoft and many others.i accept that you people rock in IT.But dont forget that india is ruled by the Most precious human beings(The Brahmins) according to their thinking, and everyone knows what their ideology is?So please bother about india developing at a marginal rate but not for ordinary human beings in india(which according to The Hindu Zionists have no right to live).I dont want to discuss that when A dalit struglles in india just to stay alive.i can give very famous example of Mr A R Rehman who is ruling bollywood now,was struggling in mumbai when he was a Dalit.In pakistan you will not find any person whose thinking is that he becomes unclean by touching poor human beings.i have been seen this in india everywhere.So please give your public basic human rights first then talk about indian booming economy and etc.</p>
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